11 thoughts on “Rev Lucy Winkett, Rector of St James Piccadilly, handy for Fortnum and Mason

  1. Where would we be if we weren’t in a place? In the sort of nowhere-anywhere inhabited by the characters in a JG Ballard novel?

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  2. “Invisible Magic Friends, far from being set in stone, are in humankind’s eyes messily, gloriously, always work in progress.”
    Two can play at that game, Rev Lucy.

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  3. Apologies but I want to refer back to yesterdays TftD from Daniel and Steve’s point ….

    It should be said, though, that most of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible) is about exactly this sort of control, maintained through fear of a capricious god and fear of arbitrary and cruel punishments.

    Yes, true of course but religions today thrive upon the fear of rejection and ostracisation. The threat of being rejected from ones social group and family is a great incentive to keep ones views to ones self. Expressing dissent towards the religion of your group often results in physical, emotional and mental violence and even the termination of life support … home, shelter, money … especially for young people. In some countries expressing dissent can easily result in incarceration on the charge of blasphemy or being the victim of a brutal kicking by frenzied mob, often whipped up by resentful clerics, and even lynching at the hands of amped up self appointed executioners.

    Fear keeps people in religion … fear of severe godly punishment keeps the believers in line … but for those who dont believe, fear of severe consequences in the here and now by people close at hand is the real disinsentive against ploughing ones own furrow.

    Thanks again to Daniel for entering into discussion with the sinners on this blog. Its much appreciated. I doubt Winkett would dare exposing herself to such scrutiny.

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    1. Everything you say is completely true, except that it isn’t universal. The people I know who are religious (including my wife) are not kept in it through fear. It isn’t even a fear of judgement – it’s just a feeling of being in the right (psychological) place.

      I know we have differed in our respective views of religion, but I think the only actual difference is that religion is not as monolithic as it sometimes seems. I don’t know what makes someone want to believe, but I do know that the reasons are diverse. I know that religions can create chaos and do terrible things, as you have listed, but I know also that they can do good things as well. My view is that we should oppose the bad and support the good, irrespective of the reason behind it, whether it is religion, or patriotism, or politics, or supporting a sports team. The community work that St Helens RLFC does is worthy of praise, even if at heart they are evil, misguided and frankly strange.

      And yes, thanks to Daniel for him continuing our debate, and thanks also to you for continuing this one.

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  4. Where in Christian theology does it say that we have to be in a place, and why is it so crucial? It is tempting to think that she was just making it up as she went along, but she sounded so adamant.

    And if being in a place is so important, why have all the CofE bigwigs been saying throughout lockdown that it doesn’t matter that the churches are shut, because we can talk to the IMF anywhere?

    Even more incoherent than usual.

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  5. If one expounded such incoherent wrong-headed piffle as this in my rather civilised local pub, one would quickly find ones self alone at the bar laden with swiftly drained glasses wondering where everyone went.

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  6. ” Hebrew scripture ,” again. I presume it’s a way of distancing yourself from the bad bits in the OT, but still able to quote selectively from it when it suits.

    Her God today is a potter, creating and recreating humanity. What happened to man being created in its own image? The only way I can see both of those can be true is if that God itself is changing, either of its own will, or by an external agent. The first option doesn’t say a lot about its perfection and foresight. The latter not much about its omnipotence.

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  7. I know this is totally off topic but I came across this at a site called Not Always Right which hosts stories about problem customers in the retail and service industry.

    “A young woman, about twenty years old, comes up to the counter holding a copy of The Bible.)

    Me: “Hi, did you find everything you needed today?”

    Customer: “Yeah, hey, can you tell me what this is about?”

    Me: “The Bible?”

    Customer: “Yeah, what’s it about?”

    Me: “The Bible has two parts, the Old Testament which is scriptures, and the New Testament, which contains the story of Jesus’ life and works as told through the gospels, written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.”

    Customer: “Huh. Is it any good?”

    Me: “It’s pretty popular.”

    Customer: “Nah, I’ll just get this one instead.” puts a copy of ‘Twilight’ on the counter

    I’m encouraged to know that, even in America, such ignorance of religion is present.

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  8. Having thought about it, I’m not sure that this story passes the sniff test. Are there really twenty-somethings out there that don’t know what the Bible is?

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    1. Stonyground, that reminds me of the story about Winston Churchill’s son Randolph and the novelist Evelyn Waugh, on a wartime mission together in Yugoslavia. Waugh wrote in a letter:

      “In the hope of keeping [Randolph] quiet, Freddie and I bet him £20 that he cannot read the whole Bible in a fortnight. Unhappily it has not had the result we hoped. He has never read any of it before and is hideously excited; keeps reading quotations aloud… or merely slapping his side & chortling ‘God, isn’t God a shit!’.”

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