11 thoughts on “Brian Draper, in Southampton, Associate lecturer at the London Institute for Contemporary Christianity

  1. But despite what Draper tells us we will not be meeting in heaven for an eternal celestial junket of praising god, looking down on the immolation of sinners and free tickets to listen to Hendrix and Stevie Ray jamming on harps.

    I once asked a vicar, after his sermon had prompted the question, if when a person dies and goes to heaven they have to put up with their creaky aching bewrinkled old body for eternity or whether they get bedecked in a restored younger version of themselves or even a custom made really perfect hot dream body. With credit to the vicar he treated my question with the contempt it deserved and moved on to shaking the hands of the rest of the congregants as they exited into the churchyard.

    Can you imagine winding up in heaven only to be reunited with friends and family who you hardly recognise. “Mom. Is that you? Wow. You look so hot”.


    1. There’s also the question of things like dementia – does it go away in the invisible magic afterlife and the person becomes who they were before they became ill? No doubt the IMF-interpreters would do their best to wriggle out of thorny questions like that one.


    2. Another Brian (Brian Dalton, aka Mr Deity) did a very good video where imagines lots of people in heaven who don’t look like they did when they died. Sorry, I can’t find a link to it just now. There is a baby who is now grown up, an elderly relative who is younger etc. A very clever skit to make you think of what ‘perfect’ would be in the ‘we will all be perfect in heaven’ christian scenario.
      I’ve had a scoot round the internet but can’t find any links to Dame Vera that refer to any pro (or anti) religious views so I expect she wasn’t and the part referred to in the Moreton interview is typical of someone of her generation who, rather than be impolite and say, ” I don’t believe”, fobs people off with a vague “Well you never know” answer. I have heard that so many times from elderly people who don’t believe.
      Poor old Brian has to tag on his religious interpretation to a popular song that really was just about meeting again in the future.


      1. They also struggle over what form the aborted blastcysts and embyos will take. After all they have been ‘en-souled’ at the moment of conception.


  2. I quite liked Black Adder’s take on the afterlife when he had been appointed ABofC. “Heaven is for people who like the kind of things that go on in Heaven … Hell, on the other hand, is for people who like the other kind of things, pillage, fornication … those areas.”


  3. Supernatural nonsense can become a little less bizarre if presented in ways which refer either to real things or to ideas which can be interpreted favourably.
    Our Brian tries to mould a song (about a real hope that real people will meet again in reality) into something that it is not – for his own purposes – based on guesswork – ignoring his BBoMS & its threats of hellfire – masquerading as a respectful tribute.
    Maybe a good afterlife for Vera Lynn would be an eternity where she never had to hear ‘We’ll meet again”, er, again.


  4. As others have pointed out, Brian Draper’s wishful thinking is not based on anything but made-up Christian dogma. It’s an interesting question as where the dogma came from. Not from orthodox Jewish tradition, surely. Hellenised Judaism, which was the way Israel was drifting before the fundamentalist Maccabean revolution? Egyptian influence? Buddhism? The early Christians certainly didn’t make it up all by themselves.

    Still, I guess Draper is entitled to his own delusions. The trouble is that, as an Associate Lecturer at the London Institute for Contemporary Christianity, he will get to foist them on loads of other people as well.


  5. As to the Afterlife, I often wonder whether Believers really believe what they say they do – or even whether they think about it much. I’ve been to a couple of funeral services recently; in one (CoE) the subject was not mentioned other than that this particular deceased would have his “Heavenly Reward”, the other was in an RC church. Heaven didn’t get a mention there, but we did have a prayer that the souls of X and the souls of all the faithful departed may rest in peace.

    Seems to me that “rest in peace” is what we all get, with or without prayers. To die is to sleep for ever, undisturbed by the dreams that Hamlet worried might come “when we have shuffled off this mortal coil”.


    1. I was at the funeral of a child a few years ago. The Church, small village CoE, was rammed full, full of people of many different beliefs and none. And yet the vicar lady saw fit to declare that the child “had gone to a better place”. The parents were visibly very upset as were many other people. What better place is there for a child than being with their loving parents, family and friends?


  6. Does any one here watch The Repair Shop? Members of the public bring in tatty objects that have some kind of sentimental value usually with some kind of human interest story attached. The object is then professionally restored and presented back to them at the end. People often refer to dead family members looking down on the proceedings with approval. Whether people actually believe this stuff or know that it is just a comforting delusion is an interesting question.


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