7 thoughts on “Rev Lucy Winkett, Rector of St James Piccadilly, handy for Fortnum and Mason

  1. Policing by consent.

    A democratic process sets the parameters for policing.

    The people consent to it.

    A democratic process reviews and modifies those parameters (and the legal system on which it relies), as social mores change.

    The police force has an independent monitoring and investigation service when the consent principle breaks down or is threatened.

    Complaints can be levelled at the police; these are more often than not investigated; members of the force can be, and often are, charged and convicted of crimes.

    These measures are aimed to ensure that the consenting element (public confidence) continues to define our law and order service.

    So, where does the ‘parallel’ with Ms Winkett’s faith come in?

    Actually she skewed the question completely. It’s possibly true that we should all ‘look out’ for each other, and all live as part of a mutually dependent and supporting community – highly imperfect though this may be. But this does NOT add a ‘faith perspective’ on Policing by Consent.’

    Another worthless waste of air time.


  2. “The Police – they do things, don’t they. ‘Policing with consent’ reminds me of my Invisible Magic Friend (except my IMF’s more like a Super-Secret Surveillance & Judgement Unit – which can’t be shown to exist – and doesn’t require anyone’s consent – but if you want ‘transparency’, we have a ghost, lol snort – but apart from that, the comparison’s airtight).
    “We live in a community and suffer if we don’t trust each other (no, I didn’t come up with this wisdom on my own – how could I? – it’s too wise & thought-provoking for a mere mortal, innit).”


  3. Well nailed above.

    This was yet another example of a Christian speaker taking a couple of the factors that help hold society together – trust and mutual support – and pretending that Christianity invented them. They do this all the time, and it’s becoming tiresome. They even do it to people who lived long before JC was a twinkle in Mary’s eye. For instance, I have heard it said that because Plato’s philosophy includes some things that Christians find congenial, he must have been inspired by the IMF and was therefore “really” a Christian before the event, without realising it! There is no arguing with ignorance and arrogance like this. All one can do is laugh very loudly whenever possible.


    1. In a sense though , doesn’t that really make it an authentic view from a faith perspective, albeit an unintentional one? What we are presented with feels like the daily desperation of the faithful to make their faith relevant to the contemporary world- the constant need to piggy back onto any progressive aspects of society, so their religion appears to them as the driver. It’s also revealed in a need to force retrospectively pre-Christian thinkers into their little faith box, so that they can con themselves their theology contributes something vital and unique to modern society. With so many TftD’s, what they accidentally tell us is far more revealing than what they thought they were going to tell us.


      1. Yes, well said AndyM, that’s all too true. So I guess my penultimate sentence was a bit negative. We can indeed argue with that attitude, not least by getting a better handle on science, history, philosophy and indeed the Bible than most apologists. Fortunately, that is not difficult!


  4. “So, where does the ‘parallel’ with Ms Winkett’s faith come in?”

    It certainly doesn’t with the CofE. It has considerable public influence (HofL, schools, etc) and likes to tell others what do to (and will howl in protest if anyone suggests reducing its influence).

    But real accountability? Forget it! If you want to complain about a member of the clergy the only real avenue is the Clergy Discipline Measure, which is mostly concerned with anyone who gets magic stuff wrong but has one woolly clause about conduct not befitting clergy (can’t remember the exact wording). This is of course so vague that it’s easy for the church to find a reason to brush off the complaint.


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